Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Communism and its relation to Mando culture
Beviin Ruckus Clan Mercenary
Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 3 Location: OH, United States
I do not think communism is a good system, however mandalorians seem to exihbit a form of Pure Communism. They are capitilistic in the are of making money, working for money, but when the community needs support mandos are expected to give to it without selfish thought. I recently wrote my senior paper on Communism here is the first part.
Communism is a form of government that is of the past. “Communism is dead in Russia, a shell of itself in China, and just hanging on in Cuba.”(Chapman) Communism and those who follow it are denying and further growth to their country and it’s people. This form of government is causing a backwards movement in the areas of economics and stability within a country; to many countries have proven this point by now having low standards of living and no hope for a brighter future. . This is why Communistic countries need to yield to a different form of government in order to secure a more stable economic and political environment.
Communism as an idea started out with two men, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, together these two men wrote the Communist Manifesto. Marx believed that as a middle class declined social revolution would be inevitable, only a forceful revolution was possible, however there were many stages in this plan to a “perfect” social order. Marx wanted to make the general welfare of the working class better because he knew that they were doomed to a life of work and no advancement. That is a very noble ideal indeed, but there are some major problems that go along with it. Redistribution of wealth helps the poor but takes from the rich, which may not seem like a bad thing to the poor, but to the rich who most likely worked for the money it is very unjust. Another problem associated with this ideology is that it does not promote increased incomes and because of this there is no incentive to work harder unless a human being is to look to the greater good and those around them, which is what Marx wished for. Marx believed that it should be an equal spread of wealth with everyone working for the greater good, simple human nature disallows this completely. After time there are no funds remaining in the government to support the country and it falls into extreme poverty. _________________ LONG LIVE MANDALORE!!
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject:
Kire DuHai Ruckus Clan Mercenary
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 14
I wouldn't consider mando culture in any way communist, really. It is, from all I understand, a totalitarian monarchy whose only (but significant) protection for the rights of the people from the monarch is the ease of overthrowing an oppressive leader. (Seriously... if you're leading a bunch of gun-toting, butt-kicking, name-taking mandos, you're not going to want to infringe on their rights much.)
While the Mand'alor could technically seize control of wealth from citizens and redistribute it, it would make him a very unpopular leader, and he'd soon be overthrown. If other mandos want to help out other mandos out of their own free will, however, that's not communism, that's simple charity, something that communism actually stifles. So I don't think there's much of a comparison at all, really. But that's just this mando's opinion.
Oya Manda!
-Kire Du'Hai
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject:
Beviin Ruckus Clan Mercenary
Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 3 Location: OH, United States
I do agree with you however many people have been convinced that todays version of communism is what it really is, while there is one leader in mando culture others are expected to help thier fellow people, this is true communism, true communism can only really be practiced in a community that has a higher alterior motive or is tight knit, like the mandos. As for a higher motive it would be to serve mandalore or to make a living. But you are right in saying that mando gov is not communism but i believe it shares some of its principles. _________________ LONG LIVE MANDALORE!!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:
Brokar Darasuum Ruckus Clan Mercenary
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Southern CA
True, Mandalorians are expected to help others, but so are Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Peace Corps, Red Cross, Kuwanis, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, soldiers, politicians, police officers, doctors and a list of others. This expectation is a social factor, not a government imposed policy. I can see your point in the similiarities, but those same connections could be made to a variety of cultures and organizations. Firefighters, for example, are expected and even obliged to help each other out. They live together, basically forming a tiny community. When something new is purchased for the station (leisure items), the price is divided amongst them because each has equal access to it. That's more like communism than Mandalorian culture is. Something just bothers me about making everyone equal in every way instead of allowing natural talents and abilities to shine, even if it's at the cost of some gaining while others lose. I'd bet Karl Marx was like the kid on the playground who screams "That's not fair!" every time he lost. _________________ Verd ori'shya beskar'gam.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject:
Darkmune Ruckus Clan Mercenary
Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 11
I'm Going to go with DuHai on that I believe Mandaloians are more like a Monachy in that they have one leader whom they follow so long as his or her men respect them the second Mandalorians lose respect for their leader that leader is told to step down or is forced to do so. but then their are the Clans. which also make Mandos a bit tribe-like. and the good of the clan is put before the good of ones own self. but in truth, Mandos are a mixed political system not like the republic with its Senate or the Empire with its Emperor. there is no way i can decripe it in words its just a way of life.
but hey. I pledge my loyalty to three things, MY men, MY clan, and MY Mandalore, all in that order. I have no ambitions beyond that and other then the training of my clans future worriers and living a simple life on the Planet Mandalore's Northern plains. _________________
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:25 am Post subject:
Brokar Darasuum Ruckus Clan Mercenary
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Southern CA
Mandalorians aren't totalitarian. Totalitarianism requires that the single leader controls all aspects of life: social, economic, as well as political. Totalitarian governments usually crumble once the leader has been removed from power. Mandalore serves more as an emissary and representative than political machine, with some additional duties. Because the Mandalorians are naturally so diverse, Mandalore is more or less a localisation of the collective opinions, philosophies, and interests of the Mandalorians as a whole. His power over the Mandalorians themselves is limited in that he (or she) is at the mercy of the whim of those he governs; a factor not found in a monarchal system. I'm not sure what the role of the clans are in the Mandalorian political body, if they have one, so I can't say it's a tribal rule system. From my research and knowledge, I'd say the Mandalorians are a republic, almost (but not quite) a true democracy. We rule and govern ourselves, though have an elected representative (Mandalore) for various diplomatic and intermediary functions. _________________ Verd ori'shya beskar'gam.
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